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Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:29 am
Thoughts so far. WARNING: book reader snobbery ahead. There shouldn't be any spoilers for anyone caught up.
Oh, and language ahead.
The Wall:
Stannis still seems like an unreasonable dick, but that's just true to source material, so I can't complain yet. I've complained in the past that D&D paint Stannis to be more of a villain than he actually is for no good reason, so I'm wary.
It should be noted that Stannis is, or at least is supposed to be, a hardcore atheist. When he was a little kid, he and his brothers watched their parents' ship crash against some jagged rocks and sink just outside their castle. It fucked him up a lot, and made him wonder why the gods would do that. So he decided that gods were a sham and that the only true justice came from men, not heaven—which is the origin story of Stannis' justice-boner.
In the show, he burns people for being fucking infidels. Now, don't get me wrong, he barbeques motherfuckers left and right in the books too, but in literally every single circumstance he's burning criminals, deserters, and traitors. In other words, people he would have executed anyways. The only occasion which he comes close to burning an innocent is with Edric Storm (or Gendry in the show—one of Robert's bastards pretty much). It's still fucked up to burn people, don't get me wrong, but at the time, Stannis was in a very emotionally vulnerable state and Melisandre was trying her damnedest to manipulate him into doing it. That red whore.
And if you remember last season, Stannis burned his uncle-in-law or whatever on the beach. Davos questioned him why, and Stannis just responded "he was an infidel."
Well, not to get all Stannimal-fanboy on you, but in the books, he burned him because the motherfucker tried to sell out his daughter to the Lannisters and surrender most of Stannis' army and money. So yeah. He had it coming.
Making him burn people for arbitrary reasons like that either makes him look like: a). Mel's puppet. b). some religious fanatic. c). maybe both of the above.
STOP FUCKING WITH STANNIS.
Not much to comment on the other things going down at the Wall. However, they are changing certain storylines around, which I'm excited for, because in the books they were convoluted and pointless as fuck. So good job there. yay change isn't always bad
The North:
I love you, Theon.
Theon Greyjoy is my favorite character in the entire series. Yeah, that Theon. I'm not kidding. Call him Reek and I will gut you.
Personally, I'm really excited for this storyline (best part of ADWD imo) and if they fuck it up I will be extremely upset. Extremely. So much that I might rant about the books some more. oh wait i do that already
The Riverlands:
No Jaime in the Riverlands... :/
Jaime and Bronn in Dorne should be... cool, I guess. I'm just sad that the Tullys never get any love. When is the Blackfish gonna show up again? :c Or Edmure?
Even Brienne seems to think the Riverlands were so two seasons ago. I'm glad the Vale is getting some attention and all, but... the Siege of Riverrun. The Brotherhood without Banners. The Twins?
C'mon, man. ;_; Just an episode or two...
The Iron Islands:
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING
No Greyjoy uncles. No Asha/Yara. No Balon. Hey, I know the Greyjoys aren't exactly fan favorites, but maybe you could fix that by... actually giving them some fucking attention for once.
You gave Asha/Yara one fucking scene last season, and you made her look like a pussy. It was ridiculous. That's what you hyped us up for all the way back in Season 3? A five second scene where the Kraken's Daughter and 50 of the best killers from the Iron Islands run away from shirtless Ramsay and a pack of fucking dogs?
One, Ramsay would get his ass kicked by Asha to Dorne and back in an actual fight. You know what? Ramsay would get his ass kicked by literally any of the ironborn that Asha brought with her. You know fucking why? Because they're viking-pirates whose entire culture is built around FUCKING KILLING PEOPLE, and she EXPLICITLY brought THE 50 BEST KILLERS SHE COULD FIND.
Two, Ramsay is FUCKING UNARMORED. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SHIRT. IT'S EXTREMELY CLOSE QUARTERS. HE SPENT LIKE TWO MINUTES JANGLING WITH KEYS AND THROWING TAUNTS FROM A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY. ASHA SPECIALIZES IN FUCKING THROWING AXES. SHE COULD'VE KILLED HIM RIGHT FUCKING THERE IF SHE WANTED AND WENT ALL "GET YOUR ASS IN THE BOAT THEON."
But she runs away? From fucking dogs? What the fuck is the dog gonna do to her, gnaw through her fucking chainmail? She's got an elite commando force, spent literally a year sailing for this specific mission, and just fucking gave up because of DOGS?
Kill fucking Ramsay, kill his fucking men, kill his fucking dogs, and get the hell out of there. Hell, kill Theon too if you want, if you really don't think he's worth saving anymore. Just don't fucking run away after sailing for seven centuries around the continent and killing three dudes.
And then poof. Gone. Our one scene with a proper Greyjoy, gone. The only one we'd get that season, and we're probably not going to get even that this year. Or ever. Perhaps D&D would prefer to have us forget the Iron Islands ever existed, and let them quietly sink back under the waves.
No Euron. No Victarion. No Aeron. No Balon. No Asha. I'm pissed. Cutting down the Iron Islands storyline is one thing, skimping on it completely is another. They'll have to revisit the Islands at some point, but all evidence points at the Ironborn getting the shaft again for this season. Good Jesus. Ya'll need the Drowned God.
The Vale:
So, Sansa's story has entered complete Winds of Winter territory as of this season. That is, she has progressed past the published books. I have no idea what the fuck is happening anymore.
Is this actually what she's doing in Winds, or is it all bullshit D&D is making up? Either way, I'm strangely liking it. Anything involving Littlefinger's pretty cool. Am keen to see Sansa back as a redhead again though. Redheads are bomb.
I don't know what the fuck Brienne is doing though. I understand changing her story around to be more relevant and exciting, because in the books she literally wanders around the whole time doing fucking nothing, but it's still... well, I don't know, strange. Is Brienne actually impactful and relevant this time around, or are D&D just making it seem that way? Who can tell.
The Westerlands:
KEVAN LANNISTER MY NIGGA
I love you Kevan. There have been many, many, many cut characters these past five seasons, and many tears have been shed for all of them. To be honest, I had feared the worst. But you were spared that grisly fate, and the show is all the better for it.
Please reappear. Please yell at Cersei some more, just for me baby. You know I can only get off to people verbally abusing Cersei. PLS
The Reach:
If I see that fucking gay brothel owner one more time I will lose it.
I have no problem with characters being gay. Loras is heavily implied to be gay in the books and I think he's one of the series' strongest characters. The problems begin when a gay character stops being a character and just becomes a fucking homo archetype.
YES, I GET IT, LORAS IS GAY. Did you also know that he is a skilled warrior, the heir to Highgarden (in the show), is brash and brave and hotheaded, and once knocked Jaime Lannister on his ass? No? Is it because you're distracted by all the times they show him fucking random dudes?
There's a lot of sex and nudity on Game of Thrones. I understand. But Loras is not just your token gay guy. Loras is a character with a personality, a history, flaws, talents, quirks, and some fucking dignity. He's not just 'gay', and it's a fucking shame that in literally every single scene he's in, somebody's making a gay joke about him. LORAS TAKES IT IN THE BUTT. YES, I UNDERSTAND HBO, THANK YOU FOR EMPHASIZING THAT LITTLE DETAIL FOR THE PAST FIVE FUCKING SEASONS.
They did the same thing to Renly. Renly is cool. He's smart, he's affable, he's generous, he's chivalrous, he's funny as hell, and he reminds a lot of people of Robert back in his prime. Yeah, Robert. The big manly warrior-king most famed for crushing a 300 year old dynasty in under 9 months with just his fucking pecs.
And yeah, Renly is gay too. Loras' lover, in fact. Do you know what the fucking show went and did? They made him a fucking wimp, afraid of blood and afraid of fighting. Instead of his own ambition, they turned it around to make it look like Loras manipulated him into it with blowjobs. This is fucked. Why would you go and do that? 'Gay' is not a major fucking character trait. There's lots of gay people, and while yeah, a lot of them like to rub it in your face, but I'm going to wager that most don't have their lives revolve around penis/bewbs.
The fact that they turned Loras into a manwhore on top of all this just boils my blood.
A Storm of Swords, Chapter 12 wrote:
With the Red Keep so crowded, Tyrion could not hope to go unnoticed. Ser Balon Swann stood guard on the door, and Ser Loras Tyrell on the drawbridge. He stopped to exchange pleasantries with both of them. It was strange to see the Knight of Flowers all in white when before he had always been as colorful as a rainbow. "How old are you, Ser Loras?"
"Seventeen, my lord."
Seventeen, and beautiful, and already a legend. Half the girls in the Seven Kingdoms want to bed him, and all the boys want to be him. "If you will pardon my asking, ser—why would anyone choose to join the Kingsguard at seventeen?"
"Prince Aemon the Dragonknight took his vows at seventeen," Ser Loras said, "and your brother Jaime was younger still."
"I know their reasons. What are yours? The honor of serving beside such paragons as Meryn Trant and Boros Blount?" He gave the boy a mocking grin. "To guard the king's life, you surrender your own. You give up your lands and titles, give up hope of marriage, children . . ."
"House Tyrell continues through my brothers," Ser Loras said. "It is not necessary for a third son to wed, or breed."
"Not necessary, but some find it pleasant. What of love?"
"When the sun has set, no candle can replace it."
That's Loras' level of devotion. Just because he's gay doesn't mean that he also has to fuck every other gay guy that moves too. Plus him flirting with Oberyn? Yeah, it was a funny scene, but the Martells and Tyrells also fucking hate each other. Even more than the Martells hate the Lannisters.
On that note, Oberyn. Oberyn is even more of a badass. He's even more developed, a fan favorite, and a complete badass through and through. I could write a whole essay on why he's so cool, and there's a lot of his backstory that the show hasn't gone over. And yes, Oberyn is both very lusty and bisexual.
He doesn't get the 'gay' treatment as bad as Loras or Renly, but it's still pretty bad. HBO makes him literally fucking live in a brothel. Tywin goes in there to find him. Why the fuck would Tywin do this, for one? He's fucking Tywin. He should be summoning Oberyn. There's no way Tywin would walk into a fucking brothel in broad daylight to pay another man a little surprise.
But I digress. What I'm trying to say is that they made Oberyn talk about fucking for his entire screentime. Yes, I get that Oberyn's lusty, but so is Tyrion. Tyrion makes lots of passing comments about whores and women. Oberyn literally won't shut up about it in the show. It's always sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, and do you know why they wrote him like that? Because he's fucking bi, that's why. If he was just lusty for women, I don't think it would be half as bad... still pretty bad, but not as blatantly obtrusive as the Oberyn we got.
And just a disclaimer, I love Show!Oberyn a lot. His actor was perfect for the role and he's firmly imprinted as the Oberyn in my mind's eye. I hear his sexy accent every single time I reread an Oberyn passage.
That doesn't mean that still wasn't dumb or bothersome. Just treat the gays as people, okay, not super special snowflakes. Tapdancing Christ.
The Stormlands:
I probably should've put the Stannis rant in here, but it's too late now.
Nothing happens here. Yet. if at all ;-; eggybabs, jonconbabs, pls...
The Crownlands:
There's lots happening here and I don't have a thing to say about any of it. As always, King's Landing is King's Landing. I like it.
Lol fuck Cersei. Really excited for the High Sparrow. That's about it.
Dorne:
I still can't over the fact they cut Arianne...
Now, D&D has cut lots of characters from the books, usually for good reason. Even if I don't like the cut, most of the time I can forgive them, because there's lots of minor characters and who needs to pay attention to all those names anyways.
This is not one of those times.
Arianne Martell is not just a character. She is a main fucking character. We see a good portion of the book through her eyes. She is heavily foreshadowed to play a major part in events to come. She is the heir to fucking Dorne. Not only is she the heir to Dorne and a main character, she is sexy and lustful and takes her clothes off at literally every opportunity. That's HBO gold right there. Why would you cut her? Why, in God's holy name, would you even ever consider that?
I promised I would eat my copy of A Storm of Swords if they ever cut a character named Stoneheart (don't look her up). They seem to have cut her. I did not eat my book, but it was a reality check. I wasn't so sure of the show's proceedings as I thought.
But never, never in a million years, would I have ever seen them cutting Arianne too. My faith is shaken. Just what the fuck. I can't even trust myself anymore.
As for other Dorne news, I like Doran's casting. I imagined him as being fatter and well... uglier, but I guess I can't complain about a sexy man. Ellaria's character has done a complete 180 from the books, but I guess I'm cool with it. Areo Hotah is there too, which is cool I guess. Apparent'y he's more important and integral to the story than Arianne.
I'm not complaining, I genuinely like Hotah, it's just that... WHAT THE FUCK.
Oh, but the Sand Snakes. The fucking Sand Snakes.
I love the Sand Snakes in the books. They haven't shown up in the show yet, but I have seen the future, and it is terrible. There is no hope.
Oberyn's deadly daughters have gone from badass to generic Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Why? Why would they do this when they have source material to work from? Would it somehow cut into their budget to make them unique and cool like in the novels? No. No it wouldn't. So why?
I, the book reader, abandoned in the cold, will always be left repeating that one heart-crushing word.
Why?
Book Version:
OBARA SAND: A rough and calloused woman who could knock a knight on their ass as well as any man. The daughter of an Oldtown whore and wields a spear, whip, and copper shield. Quick, hard as iron, with a fiery temper and a sharp tongue to match. Has a fondness for wine.
NYMERIA SAND: Called 'Lady Nym.' Elegant, refined, with dark eyes and silky black hair bounded by copper wires. Skilled with blades and able to hide a dozen daggers on her person.
TYENE SAND: A septa. She knows the Holy Book front to back and maintains a sweet and innocent persona, but inherited a love of poisons from her father. Can kill you with a flick of her finger. Has blonde hair and blue eyes, and has been said to look 'as sweet as summer strawberries.' Sleepy's favorite Sand Snake.
There are others (Elia Sand and Sarella Sand being prominent among them), but we'll be focusing on this trio for now.
Show Version:
"We all just have really different weapons."
OBARA SAND: "i wield a spear"
NYMERIA SAND: "i use the whip"
TYENE SAND: "and tyene has double daggers"
"They never fight as individuals, they fight together, and love to fight."
Tyene, sweet and pious priestess, wearing nothing but revealing viper skins: "Out of the three of us, I am the better fighter, but I already know what they're gonna say. -sarcastic eyeroll-"
"They're just a really awesome team. :)"
Fuck you.
The East:
Don't care about you Arya, Daenerys can go eat shit, I won't be comfortable until I see Tyrion has taken a shower.
That's all. Dany, the eastern continent's main attraction, has gone full retard (as expected). Not only has she gone fucking brain dead and frustratingly incompetent, but she in turn makes everyone around her look better.
For a second there, it looked like it was turning around too. Daenerys, for the first time in her life, takes Barristan's advice. She seems to accept that her father, the Mad King, wasn't such a great guy, and agrees to give the Harpy's Son a fair trial. Wow. What a fucking miracle. I was genuinely shocked that she would display such levelheadedness for once.
And then a slave went and fucked that up. Well, oops, not her fault. So she decides to go out and behead him in public.
You fucking dumbass. Hizdahr says as much. "Why didn't we just chop his head off in the temple instead of walking out in front of this ravenous mob to alienate us from the only faction sympathetic to us in this city?"
And then Daario chops his head off. And Dany gets hissed at, big surprise. And the Masters don't love her any better probably, because she invaded their country, crucified hundreds of their fellows, revoked all their privileges, and stamped all over their traditions. "Yeah, thanks for killing that dude who killed the guy you were probably gonna execute anyways. Thanks. I'll think about forgiving you after you give me my fucking slaves back."
Now, ladies, gentlemen, I do not advocate slavery. However, did Dany have to tear down the Harpy?
That giant gold statue at the top of the pyramid. She tore it down. It symbolized their entire culture, literally. Why did she tear it down? Because she was throwing a hissy fit and she's Daenerys and she fucking could, that's why she tore it down. She also closed the fighting pits.
Why did she close the fighting pits? This is an issue in the book too, and it drove me mad, because they argued about this shit for like fifty fucking chapters. But why? Seriously? Yes, it was once a place where slaves fought to the death. But now there are no slaves. The only ones who would enter the fighting pits would be volunteers. Daario brings up this little fact during their pillow-talk and Dany still says no. Why?
Because she doesn't approve of people fighting to death for entertainment. Well, okay bitch, but the people you fucking conquered quite enjoyed that, and all you've done is topple the social order and throw the whole place into anarchy since you arrived. She hates their culture. That is her only argument. She wants to turn Meereen into her own little Westeros, even though she's never been to Westeros in the first place.
Hizdahr also argues to open the fighting pits. He brings up that it would show she respects their traditions. She says no, for the same reason.
May I remind you that Meereen's economy entirely relied on two things: slaves and the fighting pits. She liberated the slaves, okay. But she also closed the pits, tore down the Harpy, and shows nothing but contempt for the old nobility. The city is broke as fuck now. And in the books, literally every former pit fighter that Dany meets begs her to reopen the pits too (just like Daario). They lived for the pits. And she fucking closed them, because it conflicts with her own morals.
Do you know what happened to Astapor? The city she sacked to steal the Unsullied from? They all fucking died. All the people she left behind. She set up a semi-democratic council and they fucking overthrew it, installed a tyrannical king, who got assassinated and replaced with another tyrant. This happened a few more times until the city went into total Mad Max mode, got conquered, and presumably blew up in flames. All the non-Unsullied slaves Dany brought with her to Meereen? They're all starving and have turned to banditry. This isn't just a book-exclusive detail. Jorah tells her this in Season 4.
Do you know what happened to Yunkai? The city where she met Daario? Where she freed all the slaves and got raised up as "Mhysa"? Yunkai just re-enslaved all the people she set free as soon as she left.
In the show, Dany gets mad and sends Hizdahr and Daario over there to yell at them for being big jerkfaces. They come back, and Yunkai says they will comply with her abolition of slavery... so long as she re-opens the FUCKING FIGHTING PITS WITH FREE AND WILLING COMBATANTS.
What is the problem here? They promise they'll release their slaves if you open up the pits? No more slaves in Slaver's Bay? What's wrong with that? Hell, that's a steal! You shouldn't have closed them in the first place!
But Dany says no, because she's a fucking prideful douche. Those thousands of Yunkish slaves will no longer enjoy freedom because Dany won't open a fucking arena for being icky and gross.
Fuck you, Daenerys.
All my Dany-ranting aside... Daario is way too likable now. He's supposed to be a smarmy cunt. The first Daario, before his actor randomly changed, was a sufficient smarmy cunt. This Daario is way too charming and handsome. Yeah, he's arrogant, but it's more in a cocky 'dashing rogue' way than a 'holy-shit-you-smug-prick-I-want-to-kill-you' way. Now he's more like a handsomer eastern Han Solo, and that's pretty cool. Am I complaining? I guess not.
It's just that I know when I first read about Dany fucking Daario, I was seething with rage. Now...? I mean, Daenerys feels more like eye candy and less like a capable ruler with every passing episode. So yeah. Good on you, Daario. Get some. I could ship it.
Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:22 pm
My problem is they killed off 2 many good characters and failed to put in the new cool characters 2 fill their shoes. It feels like D&D screwed up. Doran is cool but he can't single handedly replace Oberyn, Tywin, Mance, Olenna and Joffrey. Those characters actually added conflict and tension (plus fantastic acting) and without them, the story falls flat in my eyes. Lena is a good actress and so in Natalie Dormer but the pair can't hold up the entirety of Kings Landing. And Emilia Clarke starting to look more and more weak as an actress as the seasons go on. I'm just feeling a lack of omph from this season.
Also the Sandsnakes really disappointed me. They were like B-rate Arabian movie extras. They all meld together instead of having their own characterisation. And with my Dornish Princess from the books removed, I expected them to be amazing to make up for that. But alas, I expected 2 much from D&D.
My rant about the actual plot SPOILERS FOR SHOW/BOOK:
My precious dornish children have been massacred. Arianne, the sand snakes, Elliara, all altered. And Trystanne is the prince of dorne.... >:((((((((((((
But I'm happy with Jaime's story being changed and Brienne's being sped up.
They need to stop making Sansa into action girl, she'd perf how she is in the books. Sweet Sansa, my little dove. Stop traumatising or changing Sansa 2k15. I swear if Ramsay Bolton hurts her or rapes her, I will jump through my screen and kill him. No one hurts my little sweetling. My gentle summer child.
As for Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen. She needs to stop making shit decisions, and I know she did this in the books too but it's painful 2 watch. I don't need a recap of this pain. I know she's a teen girl becoming queen but holy moly, stahp Daedae. Also please fucking cross the ocean with your dragons, as Nike says, JUST DO IT. STOP destroying the culture of places and imposing your shitty laws onto people and go to fucking weteros. I'm tired of the slave story line, it's draining to watch her make poor decisions and keep getting nowhere. I used to be excited for her scenes but now it's like eugh this again?
Don't ask me how she's suppose to take over Weteros, I just don't want her in the free cities.
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Ebby
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Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:11 pm
/skips over rants
You know what'd be funny? If Littlefinger arranged for Sansa to marry Ramsay.
Clan/Rank : RiverClan Number of posts : 9741 Age : 25
Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:20 pm
Episode 3 was great. I loved everything about it. Let's get more stuff like that.
Ebony wrote:
/skips over rants
You know what'd be funny? If Littlefinger arranged for Sansa to marry Ramsay.
well aren't you the little prophet
I'm really confused by this, because it's not a book thing. How does Littlefinger benefit from selling his trump card off to the Boltons? Is it all a ruse? Will the Roose get loose?
Possible spoilers for later in the season:
If Sansa is replacing Jeyne Poole, then does that mean Theon's still gonna eat her out? Is she going to f**k the dog too, or is she going to go full Darth Sansa on Ramsay and make him her betch? Please be the latter. I don't want to see Sansa getting abused or raped. :C
It looks like Brienne's going to be replacing Mance Rayder and the spearwives, but I really hope that she doesn't steal Theon's spotlight. He needs to complete his redemption this season. His story was the strongest part of ADWD and I really want to see him betray the Boltons and rescue Sansa.
God, despite all my complaining, I love this season. I'm really excited for what's to come.
Also: HIGH MO'FCKIN SPARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
Clan/Rank : RiverClan Number of posts : 9741 Age : 25
Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Sun May 17, 2015 4:31 am
1. Jaqen's voice... so sexy. @_____@ 2. Doraaaaaaaaaan! and the sand snakes i guess... 3. Loras on trial? Queen of Thorns? Cersei being an idiot? Please let there be a Trial by Combat where Loras kicks a** and shows everyone how much of a bada** he is. Please. 4. Littlefinger already back in King's Landing. Did he take a f**king plane out of Winterfell? 5. Sansa in a bath and Theon crying. I do not like this. Sansa is one of my favorite Stark kids (next to Jon) and Theon is my favorite character in the entire series. PLEASE BE OKAY. 6. Ramsay and Roose in the godswood... Wedding time?
I started reading the books because I didn't want to get spoiled by random a**holes on the internet. I finished the books and now the show isn't following the script at all. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AND I DON'T LIKE IT. ;______;
Clan/Rank : RiverClan Number of posts : 9741 Age : 25
Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:39 pm
Spoiler:
People hated the Sansa rape scene. I thought their reactions were dumb and that the episode wasn't that bad.
People hated the Sand Snakes and the Yara Greyjoy Dreadfort scene. I agreed with them but still loved the show.
Stannis fucking burned Shireen alive because Ramsay fucking Snow raided his camp... he wasn't dead, or incapacitated, or too far away. Melisandre and Selyse didn't act on their own. He fucking did it on his own volition. And Selyse, that monstrous cunt, was the only one to run to try and save her. I can't even focus on anything else.
I'm fucking done. I hate this show, and I hate that I still have to watch it to know how these books end because GRRM takes a fucking half decade to finish a novel.
EDIT: Now that I've calmed down a little bit...
Spoiler:
RIP Hizdahr zo Loraq. No one will mourn for you, no one cares that you're gone. But I appreciated you. Not everyone can be a Jon Snow or Oberyn Martell, and let's be honest, you were never near that level. But I appreciated you. You were the realest nigga out of all of them. And now his watch is ended.
What did Jon do with all his fucking ships that Stannis gave him? Did they fucking walk to Castle Black? On the wrong side of the Wall when he might suspect his Brothers back at home won't want to let him back in?
Meryn Trant is a pedophile too on top of being a douchebag. Okay... alright man. Whatever. We already have plenty of reasons to hate Meryn Fucking Trant... do we have to go down this road too?
Arya ignoring the Thin Man and acting so shady about the assassination pissed me off a little. I realize that she just saw Meryn Trant and the Lannister ships, and that she's still Arya Stark and not "No One" yet, but for real?
Mace Tyrell is a God among men.
Meereen story thread so boring even Daenerys wanted out.
I know that Dorne is sexually liberated and all, but Ellaria trying to be all buddy-buddy with Jaime by approving of his incest... are you fucking for real? That's disgusting. Have you fucking met Cersei?
On that note, did Doran give Ellaria the Fire and Blood speech off-screen...? What is he planning by sending Trystane and Myrcella to King's Landing?
Also, Myrcella's necklace was fucking stolen from her room. It wasn't Cersei who set up Jaime. Then what the fuck. Who sent the threat? Oberyn's mailman?
And let's not forget Daenerys' amazing scene with Drogon.
I could write for pages and pages and pages about how stupid Stannis sacrificing Shireen is, how it flies in the face of his characterization in the fucking show, even just forgetting the books, about how retarded it is both from a storytelling perspective and from an in-character perspective, but I won't. I just won't. And I don't give a shit if it was George R.R. Martin's idea like /r/asoiaf keeps squealing. It's fucking stupid. The fat man is not infallible. I don't care if he created Stannis and "knows" his character better than I do, it's still the worst thing this show has ever done. Fuck anyone involved in it. This was for fucking shock value, or at best, a terrible misunderstanding of Stannis as a character.
I'm not some Stannis fanboy in denial, okay. I recognize that he's not a good person and that he's morally complex, and that he's not the best king Westeros could get or really deserves. But he was not... this. I don't care that he already killed Renly. Nobody gives a frolicking homosexual archetypal rainbow shit about fucking Renly. That was different, and while Stannis should be condemned for kinslaying his brother, this is not the fucking same. This is a whole other level of fucking pure black evil and stupidity.
They redeemed Stannis only to tear him down to whole new levels. I'm fucking livid. Shireen... ;^; Why...
This highlights a bigger issue with this show as a whole, and nobody is a bigger fucking example of this than Papa Bolton and Bastard Bolton, Bastard Bolton especially. Why the fuck is Ramsay some kind of fucking super-genius? Roose is the Brain, Ramsay is fucking Pinky. But in the show he's fucking untouchable, and every plan and scheme of his goes exactly fucking right.
He kills trained and armored ironborn warriors completely shirtless. He rapes Sansa. He raids Stannis' camp undetected and destroys all their food supplies and siege weapons and gets off completely scot-free. He can't do anything fucking wrong. It's not shocking when the bad guys win anymore, it's just fucking sado-masochism. I, as a watcher, get ZERO FUCKING GRATIFICATION from investing myself into this show's characters, because they would rather cash in on shock value than a satisfying story. I'm not asking for some wish fulfillment fanfiction where Ned Stark lives or Robb crushes the Lannisters. I just want a story where I'm not left fucking numb and angry because every plan the 'good guys' put together gets fucking dashed in ten or less episode and falls apart and then they get tortured and fucking die.
And then Ramsay laughs and drinks blood out of their skull while Sansa gives him head. It just makes me feel angry. I'm not usually an angry person. Only high fantasy television and literature makes me feel this way. And yeah, the good guys lose in the books too. A lot. Robb still gets filled with arrows and Ned gets his head cut off and the Boltons still take over the North. But where are all those loyal northern Houses? The Manderlys, the Cerwyns, the Hornwoods, the Wulls and Buckets and mountain clansmen, the Glovers and the Mormonts? Where are the riverlords seething with anger at the death of Cat, the imprisonment of Edmure, the murder of Robb Stark? Brynden Tully? The Blackwoods? The Mallisters? The Brotherhood Without Banners? Beric Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart?
Oh, you don't know? It's because they're not fucking there. They don't exist.
People in power: - Jon Snow, good guy, we really like him.
Episode 10 spoiler:
And he's about to fucking die.
- Roose Bolton and Ramsay Bolton, with plot-armor so thick that Valyrian steel couldn't fucking cut it. They killed Cat and Robb. They raped Sansa. They tortured Theon out of his mind. They sent Asha fleeing from a pack of dogs like a fucking pussy. And they're perfectly safe and sound. - Walder Fucking Frey. Hasn't even appeared this season, or the last season, so presumably he's doing just fine. - Cersei Lannister, evil cunt, now imprisoned by the Based Sparrow. Yay :)
Season 6 spoilers:
And she's probably going to get set free in a Trial by Combat with Robert Fucking Strong.
- Olenna Redwyne. Mace Tyrell is a goofball who doesn't know what's going on back home, both his children are imprisoned, and the Tyrell faction is quickly falling out of power. Olenna is just a sassy old lady that we like. The Tyrells are now clearly anti-Lannister, but couldn't be described as protagonists. - Kevan Lannister, cool guy, barely any screen time.
Episode 10 spoilers:
And he's about to fucking die.
- Stannis Baratheon, formerly cool guy, now a daughter-burning fanatic. - Balon Greyjoy, just a dickhole, hasn't appeared on the show in approximately five centuries because D&D hate the ironborn. - Doran Martell, ???
Episode 10 spoilers???:
Really cool guy.
- Daenerys Targaryen, she's okay, just got swooped away by a fucking dragon. - Petyr Baelish, fucking slimy scumbag, closest thing that we have to a real powerful protagonist in Westeros still. The rest are all wandering exiles and hedge knights.
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Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:37 pm
Too lazy to create a Wall of China like Sleepy, but damn. Daaaamn. I am not happy.
Spoiler:
I am 110% done with Game of Thrones right now.
As if I didn't have enough deviations from the books to complain about already.. They sent Jaime to Dorne and threw the Riverlands in the trash, they cut LADY MOTHERFUCKING STONEHEART, they practically spit on the Sand Snakes, cut Aegon and Jon Connington, cut Arianne and made Trystane the heir to the Dornish throne, and decided to shit on the ironborn (my co-favourite fucking House along with the Starks) until season six. This.. This fucking mauling of Stannis' character is ridiculous. I'm no Stannis fangirl and never have been, but this is maddening. Literally five episodes ago, Stannis gave Shireen a speech about how he did all he could to save her from greyscale as a baby and then hugged her. Mel initially suggests sacrificing Shireen, but Stannis immediately shoots her down and orders her to leave his tent out of disgust. Next episode, he burns Shireen at the stake and barely bats an eye.
Like.. Holy shit. Just gimme season six so I can drool over Euron and forget about this mess.
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Sleepy
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Subject: Re: Game of Thrones S5 Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:24 am
Linda (of Linda & Elio/Westeros.org fame) is so pathetic it's almost kind of amusing.
Okay, I rant about this show quite a lot, and I can be a bit of a book snob, but whenever I feel bad about it I just remember that she exists and I feel way less terrible.
Lady, jeez, calm down please. You're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing all of us.