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PostSubject: Honor System/War Stuff   Honor System/War Stuff Icon_minitimeTue Nov 26, 2019 12:30 pm

So, big Shadowclan/Skyclan war, right? Except it's Skyclan AND Thunderclan.

The battle's been dragged out. I mean, it could have been over by now. Cats get locked in due to running the clock, and yes, we as Shadowclan did this, but now everybody's dragging it out and it's taking forever.

So where's the problem?

Well, in addition to this, we were called OP just because we strategized. The odds were/are actually against us; By bringing Thunderclan into this, as a *last minute* surprise, SC was up against 4 High Ranks, as well as 1 tier 5 and two tier 4. Shadowclan had 1 tier 5, two tier 4, and only two high ranks. Not counting medicine cats. It's unfair, and quoting anonymous, "While [Shadowclan] have been planning this war forever now, the prickliness in regards to the subject on SkC's side has kinda always been there and it's made me a little worried. It's not as if we were spinning it to make our side more likely to win, and we even came up with branching paths in the plot to allow for either outcome in the war." We don't need to win, but Skyclan is fighting for their lives, even bringing a second clan in(Without telling Shadowclan until it was nearly too late).

And then, with that, this is a plot that we as Shadowclan have been planning and looking forward to, and Thunderclan's part in this war was not approved or mentioned previously, even to the organizer of the plot. Had it been only Skyclan, it'd have been evenly matched(Kari as Thornstar has said she'd try to match) and Shadowclan may have won, but because of our strategizing and own work.

So, basically, Skyclan brought in ThunderClan without us knowing. Then, everybody has been using posting time as an advantage to drag out individual battles.

" The idea is an honor system behind wars. No more intentionally waiting to try and get an advantage on the other side. It might have worked in our favor initially but honestly it was a mean thing to do and it just prolonged the war unnecessarily. "

We know and acknowledge it was bad, and I think it should be prevented in the future. Exactly how, I'm not sure. But I thought I'd throw it out there.

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PostSubject: Re: Honor System/War Stuff   Honor System/War Stuff Icon_minitimeWed Nov 27, 2019 8:22 am

It seems like maybe plot members keeping secret plot points from staff/other plot members is a regular point of contention between roleplayers. Important knowledge isn't disclosed, and while these sorts of sudden realizations and shock are accurate IC it can feel unfair OOC to have "surprise" plot twists.

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PostSubject: Re: Honor System/War Stuff   Honor System/War Stuff Icon_minitimeWed Nov 27, 2019 10:24 am

Well, I've got a few things to say about this. These are all my own personal opinions. Bear (ha) with me:

Jade wrote:
The battle's been dragged out. I mean, it could have been over by now. Cats get locked in due to running the clock, and yes, we as Shadowclan did this, but now everybody's dragging it out and it's taking forever.

An entire week was set aside for the battle according to the signups. War didn't actually happen until Day 3, when Lynxscar attacked Foxfire. That was Saturday. The war is beginning to wrap up today, on Wednesday (Day 7). Even if you count the days when we weren't actually fighting, it is still a week. We are right on schedule. Wars always take time!

Jade wrote:
Well, in addition to this, we were called OP just because we strategized. The odds were/are actually against us; By bringing Thunderclan into this, as a *last minute* surprise, SC was up against 4 High Ranks, as well as 1 tier 5 and two tier 4. Shadowclan had 1 tier 5, two tier 4, and only two high ranks. Not counting medicine cats.

You're got a good point here. ShadowClan is not in the wrong for strategizing, nor are they OP because they used Night Finesse. Who wouldn't use it in this scenario? Now, about ThunderClan being brought in... yeah, that probably should've been discussed more OOC. Of course, Kari/Thornstar would not have been able to stop ThunderClan from joining, but a warning would have given more time to prepare. Given more OOC warning, SkyClan had every right to contact their allies. That's just how war works. However, there should have definitely been more OOC coordination and communication with the inclusion of ThunderClan.

Jade wrote:
Then, everybody has been using posting time as an advantage to drag out individual battles.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe that harassing people to post is wrong and we need to make it more clear that it should not be happening unless they're, say, one hour from timing out. However, stalling is a battle tactic. Nobody is breaking a rule by waiting 23 hours to post, and it would be very unfair to change the 24 hour rule. Let's also not forget that it's the week before Thanksgiving and while some people were strategically stalling, some people really did have places to be and things to do. Unfortunately, I personally do not see the merit in telling people not to stall. Both sides did it, and both sides gained a competitive advantage by stalling. While, yes, it can be frustrating, it's a genuine way to turn the tides in your favor.

All in all, I think that compared to some other infamous battles (coughSunningrocks2017cough) this one was particularly low-salt. OOC, we certainly had a few hiccups, but I see it more as competitiveness among RPers who just really wanted their side to win. This battle has given staff a lot to consider with the way that some moves function in large-scale brawls, but I think that the mutual understanding that you can't force any one person to post is a good place to start. That is how I feel about it. There already is an honor system: mutual respect.

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