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PostA Compromise

Lately, there has been a lot of clashing involving traditionalism and the extents to which it branches on this site. There have been issues regarding it, so Sleepy and I talked about some sort of compromise. No, we are not trashing non-traditionalism. Rather, we are going to draw a line as to how far one can go in creating a cat on this website.

As of now, a cat is unable to be named anything that a wild cat could not interact with.

Names involving stuff like blades, minerals, and yes, dragons, are not allowed in creations. Mods, make sure to enforce this, please.

Things in nature, such as trees and birds, are still allowed. You can sleep easily, Winchatkits of the world.

Now, I know cats are already created with names like this. I ask that these cats be able to keep their names, but at the risk of your cat's reputation. If your cat is a kit, we will allow you to change the name.

Thank you, and we are sorry for any inconvenience. If you want to make a cat and you are unsure if its name is allowed or not, please PM me or Sleepy. We'll let you know as soon as we can.

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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:26 pm by Rose
Thank you so much ;-; this was needed. Things have been solved
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:53 pm by Sun
*Cries tears of happiness*

I took a nap and forgot to sign off and the best thing that could happen to this site has just happened
;__;
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:35 pm by King Falcon I
I'm okay with living among the Whinchats and Cormorants of the world in this compromise. Is it also okay that cats can no longer be named after the clans? I'm even okay with the moon, but naming a cat Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, or River- is a bit much.

This is a good thing happening. Now on to doing something about one-fourth of the clans being half-blood, rogues, and kittypets.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:58 pm by Sleepy (Online)
Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
Is it also okay that cats can no longer be named after the clans? I'm even okay with the moon, but naming a cat Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, or River- is a bit much.

I think it'd be pushing it to block Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, and River-.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:01 pm by Stormi the Gummy
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:11 pm by King Falcon I
Sleepy wrote:
Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
Is it also okay that cats can no longer be named after the clans? I'm even okay with the moon, but naming a cat Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, or River- is a bit much.

I think it'd be pushing it to block Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, and River-.

These are sacred names, though. It's just strange to have, like Thunderkit of ShadowClan or something.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:03 pm by Firefly
Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
Sleepy wrote:
Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
Is it also okay that cats can no longer be named after the clans? I'm even okay with the moon, but naming a cat Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, or River- is a bit much.

I think it'd be pushing it to block Thunder-, Wind-, Shadow-, and River-.

These are sacred names, though. It's just strange to have, like Thunderkit of ShadowClan or something.

I actually agree on this one. It's the whole reason why I changed my second character's name to Heavykit instead of Thunderkit. xD
I think Thunder, Wind, Shadow, or River shouldn't be used as a prefix in a characters name. A suffix, maybe. But only it legitimately makes sense. Nothing like Yellowthunder, Blackshadow, etc etc.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:46 pm by Phoenix
I'm usually used to Warrior Cat forums where I can actually use any suffix or prefix I want ... but apparently this site's not gonna allow it. Well ... that ruined all my hopes of having another unique name .__.

Oh well
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:53 pm by King Falcon I
Phoenix wrote:
I'm usually used to Warrior Cat forums where I can actually use any suffix or prefix I want ... but apparently this site's not gonna allow it. Well ... that ruined all my hopes of having another unique name .__.

Oh well

You can have unique and creative names without making a name that makes no sense in the Warriors universe. We're just trying to keep out the extremely silly names. They make the site worse.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:49 pm by Jay
Phoenix wrote:
I'm usually used to Warrior Cat forums where I can actually use any suffix or prefix I want ... but apparently this site's not gonna allow it. Well ... that ruined all my hopes of having another unique name .__.

Oh well

The word 'unique' rubs me the wrong way. I dislike this argument. Why do you need some abstract, nonsensical name? Your cat ends up looking silly, and you end up looking silly. You don't have to be special. Take the unique points that are going to your character's name and put them to your character themselves.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:16 am by Sleepy (Online)
Fly wrote:
Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
These are sacred names, though. It's just strange to have, like Thunderkit of ShadowClan or something.
I actually agree on this one. It's the whole reason why I changed my second character's name to Heavykit instead of Thunderkit. xD
I think Thunder, Wind, Shadow, or River shouldn't be used as a prefix in a characters name. A suffix, maybe. But only it legitimately makes sense. Nothing like Yellowthunder, Blackshadow, etc etc.

Because Heavy- makes more sense than Thunder-? The idea of the Clan names being too sacred to use is a traditionalist idea. There's nothing official on that, and so I won't block it.

Phoenix wrote:
I'm usually used to Warrior Cat forums where I can actually use any suffix or prefix I want ... but apparently this site's not gonna allow it. Well ... that ruined all my hopes of having another unique name .__.

Oh well

The site is still non-traditional. There are still literally hundreds upon hundreds of prefixes and suffixes you could use that aren't Knife- or -quartz or something. It's an overreaction to act like you're super restricted now, I think.

Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
You can have unique and creative names without making a name that makes no sense in the Warriors universe. We're just trying to keep out the extremely silly names. They make the site worse.

I will agree to block minerals and human stuff to keep people happy, but how do they make the site worse?

The Warriors universe inherently makes no sense. None of it. Traditionalism does not exist in the actual canon Warriors universe. Have you forgotten Runningwind? Or Windflight? How about Mistmouse, or Primrosepaw, or Doespring?

Do not act like it is farfetched to think that one of the Erins would make a ridiculous non-traditional name, because 70% of all characters in the Warriors series are ridiculous and non-traditional. Traditionalism has no canon backing. It is a fanmade naming system created for literate serious roleplays... i.e. not WCC, which is catered to a much younger and less skilled and experienced audience.

Stop your b*tching and leave people alone. I will not accept anymore inching back to traditionalism because some disgruntled teenagers are upset that a fifth grader called their first cat in a roleplay ever Shadowkit, and this goes against their naming system that somebody who was not the author made up. You can rest assured on that.

Jayson wrote:
The word 'unique' rubs me the wrong way. I dislike this argument. Why do you need some abstract, nonsensical name? Your cat ends up looking silly, and you end up looking silly. You don't have to be special. Take the unique points that are going to your character's name and put them to your character themselves.

This sounds suspiciously like a traditionalist argument.

Maybe because somebody wants a name that nobody else has? You can go ahead and copy-paste what ailuronymy has to say on that, sure. That it isn't that much hard work to think up a "special" character name and that the real creative people are the ones who can make something cool with restrictions. Yeah, I agree with that, but it isn't for everyone.

Some people want to have a "unique" name. Let them. They're not affecting you. Lyricism is not a disease that will spread via roleplay. You are perfectly in your right to make a code-abiding and sensibly named full-blooded Clan cat with unwavering loyalty, just as somebody else is perfectly in their right to make a wanton half-Clan murderer with a silly name if they choose.

You'll notice the theme in all of these arguments is "but I don't like their name, it makes the site bad because it doesn't make sense!" You'll notice my responses tend to go along the lines of "why the hell do you care you uptight elitist bastards?" So, to sum up...

Why the hell do you care, you uptight elitist bastards? I can accept not allowing somebody being named after something a wild cat would have no understanding of. Fine, I can deal with that if it matters that much to you. But I fear that people want to keep pushing in a further stricter direction, the same strict direction that brought this site to its knees in terms of activity and roleplaying (WHICH IS A FACT), just because they don't like certain people's names.

Let us look at Forum Statistics. WCC officially became non-traditional and less strict in general on December 7th. How might that have affected the site?





And January isn't even done.

You can call that coincidence, but I wholeheartedly believe that a free approach on these matters is what will return WCC to its former glory, except better structured and with that boundary that will keep out the Metalshards.

WCC, until now, was struggling along. Not dead or in any real danger of crashing, but it was stagnating. People got on chat and talked all the time, sure, but nobody roleplayed. We all complained about nobody roleplaying. We complained of all the Clans being small. We complained of things being boring and nothing happening.

And now the site is steadily getting more active in terms of members and roleplay and people want to re-instate that previous stagnating system because of the sake of a few names? Piss off, mate. I won't budge any further than this. WCC is my baby. I won't see it suffer because of a few pricks that can't deal with a Moonshadow or two even if it means they've got more warriors than they could have ever hoped for before. Don't you want to see your Clan reach numbers like they do in the books, or even past that? Don't you want to have big battles? Don't you want tons of different people and characters to roleplay with?

One last thing. For Christ's sake, everyone stop picking on Dragonblade. They are not even named Dragonblade anymore. They changed it, so leave them alone. It would not have been approved under normal circumstances and was only done so because of confusion on where the boundary of "ridiculous" lied. You're like a pack of harpies.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:59 am by Ebony
The only issue I have is with the clan names, and it's really more of an irk than anything...
Using a clan name is a huge insult more than anything.
Windkit of WindClan, you're basically saying you're kit is the end-all-be-all-best WindClan kit ever since Windstar. likelolright.
Thunderkit of WindClan is a huge insult towards ThunderClan, that's not cool. Taking the name of the most important cat in ThunderClan history (And their name-sake-nonethelessss), and giving it to your kid.
Even in the books, the Erins admit to Runningwind and such being mistakes, and that its against the clans conduct.

But, other than that. *hugs Lunardance*
Echo, you thief. ; ^; lol
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:57 am by King Falcon I
Perhaps a reason for more activity is what happened around the same time as the Pearl Harbor of WCC: the allowance of role-players to make smaller posts, so that everyone wasn't required to make the novel of the year. I think that's a good reason that people began to post again.

Also, the names are only half the thing. They've always been half the thing. I think taking out names that make no sense because cats would never see them or have heard of them is fine. It's great. But there's another problem that one-fourth of the site will eventually be half-clan, kittypets, or rogues. Despite the fact that you all take the time to disparage the books, the books are the entire basis of any role-play within the Warriors universe, and they're a great place to begin for anything concerning Warriors. Only rogues realistically make sense because they know how to live on their own and can learn clan ways without a hard reset of training. Kittypets are probably the worst, since not every one can be Firestar, so they'd be hopelessly doomed trying to join the clans, and the vast majority of them don't care to. As for half-clans, we made it so this can happen, but it's still against the Warrior Code, which is really the basis for which everything is done. Nobody gets punished for this because it's hidden under the guise of faceless NPC cats. And don't tell me I'm wrong on the one-fourth thing: I counted. I did the math.

It's hard only because it's hard to say no to someone who wants to make a cat like that, but it'll just get to the point where half the clans will have little to no clan blood. I know that no one will listen to me when I reference the books, because you all have some kind of personal vendetta against them, but even they didn't flood the clans with these kind of cats. Not even in Firestar's little lovefest in the third series.
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Re: A Compromise
Post on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:21 am by Sleepy (Online)
Ebony wrote:
The only issue I have is with the clan names, and it's really more of an irk than anything...
Using a clan name is a huge insult more than anything.
Windkit of WindClan, you're basically saying you're kit is the end-all-be-all-best WindClan kit ever since Windstar. likelolright.
Thunderkit of WindClan is a huge insult towards ThunderClan, that's not cool. Taking the name of the most important cat in ThunderClan history (And their name-sake-nonethelessss), and giving it to your kid.
Even in the books, the Erins admit to Runningwind and such being mistakes, and that its against the clans conduct.

But, other than that. *hugs Lunardance*
Echo, you thief. ; ^; lol

Like I said before, the idea of it being insulting, while sensible, is not based in canon.

Even if the Erins said that Runningwind was a mistake, they don't say that specifically in the books.

Snugglythrust Falcon wrote:
Perhaps a reason for more activity is what happened around the same time as the Pearl Harbor of WCC: the allowance of role-players to make smaller posts, so that everyone wasn't required to make the novel of the year. I think that's a good reason that people began to post again.

Also, the names are only half the thing. They've always been half the thing. I think taking out names that make no sense because cats would never see them or have heard of them is fine. It's great. But there's another problem that one-fourth of the site will eventually be half-clan, kittypets, or rogues. Despite the fact that you all take the time to disparage the books, the books are the entire basis of any role-play within the Warriors universe, and they're a great place to begin for anything concerning Warriors. Only rogues realistically make sense because they know how to live on their own and can learn clan ways without a hard reset of training. Kittypets are probably the worst, since not every one can be Firestar, so they'd be hopelessly doomed trying to join the clans, and the vast majority of them don't care to. As for half-clans, we made it so this can happen, but it's still against the Warrior Code, which is really the basis for which everything is done. Nobody gets punished for this because it's hidden under the guise of faceless NPC cats. And don't tell me I'm wrong on the one-fourth thing: I counted. I did the math.

It's hard only because it's hard to say no to someone who wants to make a cat like that, but it'll just get to the point where half the clans will have little to no clan blood. I know that no one will listen to me when I reference the books, because you all have some kind of personal vendetta against them, but even they didn't flood the clans with these kind of cats. Not even in Firestar's little lovefest in the third series.

Smaller posts certainly help and are probably the main reason for more topics and more posts, yeah. Of course, correlation does not equal causation, so maybe traditionalism (or the lack thereof) does not have any affect... but along with our incredible amount of new members this month, I think more are staying. On WCC, the case has always been that a lot of members don't stay or even bother to make a creation, but I think that's changing with looser rules. This is a good thing.

As for half-Clan kittypet rogue abominations... I always knew they were an inevitability, but I accepted them as collateral damage if it meant more warriors, more members, and more roleplaying. Obviously it sucks that one in four cats on the site have whores for mothers, but I invite everyone to try and create some interesting roleplay out of that. Go pick on them in a topic and call them names.

I've been considering bringing back the Parent Sign-Up thing from the past, which might reduce the number of rogues (and NPC parents while we're at it). But I won't force people to be full-blooded, for the sake of personal freedom. This is like when we halted all forbidden relationships and Clan-jumping. To quote what I had to say on that...

Sleepy wrote:
Why we ever made these taboo in the first place is slightly puzzling. If the CHARACTER would fall in love with the medicine cat, another ROLEPLAYER should not be able to interfere and tell them no. This is common sense. The character will do what they do, knowing the consequences. LEADERS AND THEIR ROLEPLAYERS ARE NOT ALL-KNOWING GODS. If they don't know about a forbidden relationship, they don't know. If the leader finds out, they can exile them. Fair enough. But if they don't, there is no reason why a warrior CAN'T fall in love with another warrior from a different Clan or whatever.

Clan Jumping is a slightly different matter, just because nine times out of ten that warrior is going to get driven out by the Clan they're trying to join. But still let people try it, for Christ's sake.

I don't want to go down that path again.
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